| Author | Subject: This is so very sad |
| param3 | Posted At 20:30:16 07/21/2005
This is so sad brahmanas and orthodox Hindus are cursed so much and hated so much here. I just cannot understand the ethnic hatred in this forum.Probably never will Hope we can rise above this very narrow dangerous path I am so sorry May the Lord help us |
| jingle |
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Posted At 00:10:46 07/22/2005 Save your sorrow for others too. What do you say for one of your posts, which has the sadistic remarks. Hope now you understand what do I mean by KULLA NARI's. "I forgot to say that in older days, doctors were from the sudra varna! Ambashtans ( ambattans- amtans, not Hamilton!) were the surgeons even in the west! Other varnas did not do ayurveda. They may have written treatises on Ayurveda or Dhanurveda( practised by kshatriyas) etc but practitioners were from sudra varna for medicine and music even ( gandharva vedham.). Sudra varnas were eligible only for these two vedhams! I deliberately said something explosive here so let us start fighting!" |
| PuthiavanRaj |
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Posted At 01:29:44 07/22/2005 Param, I agree with you. There are good and bad people in all communities. caste chauvinism or hatred against any particular community is strongly condemned. |
| jingle |
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Posted At 01:44:28 07/22/2005 PR, please dont fall in to the trap. I understand that you are trying to be reasonable but it should be towards the other reasonable fellows. Not to the one who get pissed off when other people develop even by hard work and sweating. |
| jingle |
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Posted At 02:12:57 07/22/2005 If anybody have time read this matl. for your ancestors, yours and your kids welfare http://www.ahya.org/news/hinduawake.pdf |
| jingle |
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Posted At 04:52:57 07/22/2005 Just to show what our PARAM mean by Shudras given in some junkies are given below (Apastainbha Dharma Sutra 111, 10-26) If a Shudra over heard a recitation of the Vedas molten tin was to be poured in to his ears; if be repented the Vedas his tongue should be cut and if he remembered Vedic hymns, his body was to be torn into pieces. Again MANU 167-272 says: If a Shudra over-heard a recitation of the Vedas motten tin was to be poured in to his ears; Brahma-Sutras says: “shravana, adhana, arthapratishedhat smriteh ca” Brahrna—Sutras 1.3.9.38 “The smrithi orders that Shudras must be prohibited from hearing, studying and understanding the Vedas” |
| param3 |
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Posted At 06:41:53 07/22/2005 Dear P.R., thank you for your kind words. I appreciate this. You are impartial in this respect and I sincerely salute you Regards |
| param3 |
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Posted At 06:59:01 07/22/2005 Dear Jingle, I said above regarding sudras ( ambattans etc). That is true. You quote this Chatterjee's website which is full of lies. There is a Xtian Chatterjee who always looks for converts in Bengal. I always thought this man is the same person If you want we can take Gita, he misquotes. He is a shameful liar. He is wrong and deliberately misquotes. I have seen his website before. He deliberately misquotes Gita 4-13 etc etc You also quote Apastamba. There is no such thing as Apastam bha Dharma Sutra 111, 10-26 . Apastamba has only two prasnas each with 11 sections. Or MANU 167-272 Many has only 12 chapters. If you want quote the clear verse or number. This is tactic by antiHindus. They will say Valmiiki 2000-409- 92 says Mohammad is the new avatar etc. All lies, One has to be very ignorant to believe those websites. They are hate literature meant to spread lies. I can show you muslims site which quote verses to show Mohammad was there in vedas! If you want to discuss please quote proper verses and please be prepared to discuss till the end and not stop in the middle. You have to be ready to really find the truth The definitons of sudra, brahmana etc in Manu or Apastamba are not what you believe them to be. I wrote so many times about this. Varna is *not a caste* There is no caste sanctioned in Hindu shastras You have to be really patient if you want to know the truth and not get emotional Regards |
| PuthiavanRaj |
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Posted At 07:24:32 07/22/2005 Thanks para3. Jingle, let us debate but without malice. |
| jingle |
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Posted At 08:31:26 07/22/2005 You bad mouth on students who got their medicine seats by hard work and then cry that people are not good in the forums. In your posts you explicitly said that you want to instigate fight and then in the other, you are worried about fightings. This is called double stds or kullanari thanam. The point I am telling is change your attitude otherwise you would be begging for your health to some sudras in future. If somebody achieve something apreciate them or atleast dont degrade them. I was really sad that PuthivanRaj lost in your acting but one day he will understand. |
| param3 |
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Posted At 18:42:53 07/22/2005 Dear Jingle, hold on. Who said I bad mouthed. Where? can you show me? How. Are you dreaming or what? I said about sudras being vaithyars in olden days. That is a fact. Do you know who sudras are? I bet you dont. I am not cheating PR nor is he offering to get cheated. That is an insult to him. Okay you insult me! You are too suspicious! I just cant even follow what you say and why. All seem to be fantastic fantasies thinking Hindus are evil, out to get you. You never explained your teacher Chatterjees ( or your) comments or Apastamba or Manu Please try! Let us truly discuss properly instead of just throwing suspicions Regards |
| jingle |
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Posted At 20:34:16 07/22/2005 I knew that you type of people are only the TRUE evil to our society. |
| param3 |
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Posted At 07:08:07 07/23/2005 Come on. Let us really discuss to find the truth and not depend on charlatans like policians and chatterjees to guide us. Dont be suspicious I am still searching for Apastamba sutras |
| param3 |
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Posted At 16:10:08 07/23/2005 Dear Jingle saar, I searched again. Still cant find the apastamba Dharma Sutra 111, 10-26. In fact there is no such number at all. Similarly there is no such thing as Manu 167-272. Manu has only 12 chapters. These websites give such misinfo and people believe them. They are pure lies. They are pure hate literature. Please continue discussion. This is serious. WE have to know the truth. Please Regards |
| jingle |
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Posted At 20:38:44 07/23/2005 I dont really care what your junkies says. It is written by some fools, for the welfare of brahmins. If you read CHetterjees doc, it says clearly your domination and foul play. Let me ask you this. I say that your brahmin population is 2%. Do you agree or not. I am waiting for your answer. |
| param3 |
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Posted At 20:59:46 07/23/2005 Dear Jingle saar, I dont follow the caste system when I say brahmins, kshatriyas etc. these are varnas. Brahmana is not a caste. I dont know how many brahmans are there. Brahmans by definition are good, compassionate people, satvic, intellectuals. Kshatriyas are warriors etc etc. These are not by birth. There is no brahman, nonbrahman clasification by government even. There are no vaishya, nonvaishyas either. There are thousands of castes. Only four varnas according to shastras. Shastra never talks of caste ever. Never anywhere to support caste. Castes are different from varna. You say these are junkies. But then chatterjee "quotes" them to support his so called statements. Why do people misquote them including EVR? Why do they misquote Manu and all shastras? Do they want to tell lies to gain support? Regards |
| jingle |
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Posted At 08:59:48 07/24/2005 I think that you should try to understand todays practical life. As I told you before I am not bothered about varnas or whatever you call in your language, in todays world if you say brahmin then it points to a community. You can give some high definition on brahmins quoting some useless books but it only support or make some particular community happy. If you ask a person whether he eats meat he responds "I am a brahmin." and I dont know exactly what he mean by that. The easy answer I think is "No, I am a vegetarian". No matter what do you say about brahmin, it is considered as a community and nothing else. Also regarding the medical seats scored by BC/MBC/SC/ST are actually an alarm bell to the OC students and clearly says that they are facing a stiff competition. Some body called that they bought the education and you called that only some caste people are interested in Medicine. I can only see some OC people's intimidation by this competition. It may take another 50 to 100 years to put this OC people to the end of line. But if we see this great achivement it is not achieved immediately but crossing over many hurdles for hundreds of years. Thanks to many good leaders like Kamaraj, EVR to point few leaders who showed the way for people like us that we can also study and compete equally. |
| outsider |
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Posted At 12:06:54 07/24/2005 |